2005 Grand Voyager Auto Box Problem

[chill6834]

Hi all,

 

Having just repaired one problem the car has very kindly given me another. Last night when pulling away up hill on a frosty road the auto box seemed to rev before engaging the next gear. I continued my journey to work and noticed that there was a slight whining noise. this morning there was no change and so i was forced to pull over when the check engine light came on.

 

All gears engage but it feels as though the clutch is slipping? Has any one any ideas? the car has just crept over 100,000 miles and has a full Chrysler history. Ive owned the car since this august. the garage i bought the car from said they serviced it but im beginning to wonder if they changed the transmission fluid.

 

many thanks in advance for advice given.

 

carl. 

[QinteQ]

All manuals are here all service manuals are here, key dance [will not do transmission codes] is here.

 

Auto gearbox's I'm sure you will agree are in the realms of the 'dark arts department' most of us don't really understand them since the invention of [computer run solenoids] the CANBUS and then the different speed hybrid PCi & CANBUS's running at different speeds moderated by the BCM and routed by the PCM in the same vehicle. I've always tried to avoid 'parts darts' without an accurate starting point which is a competent 'read' of the 41TE errors.

 

Most of the A604 / 41-TE shifting issues are here. The bottom line is you really can't afford not to have the transmission read properly before spending any money otherwise it would be parts darts my friend. At £6 a litre an ATF +4 change is always a bet - but a good one - its the number one failure reason.

 

Many small indi's will have a capable reader for your year vehicle at about £35 a pop but you will have to ring round and ask :

 

- chrysler

- year

- 41TE

 

NOTE : I'd pin down any so called expert by pre-buying and supplying ATF +4 and insisting on its use. I've met many so called good well intentioned experts who really do believe that ATF without the +4 will do because its cheaper and they make more [profit] margin.

 

 

Best of luck.

Edited November 28, 2014 by QinteQ

[vvv]

 

At £6 a litre an ATF +4 change is always a bet - but a good one - its the number one failure reason.

 

£6 a litre! Can you tell me where from? I'm getting price quotes around £10 for 1L bottles of ATF+4 compatible fluids.

Edited December 1, 2014 by vvv

[vvv]

I just bought a 5L pack of Millermatic ATF+4 from OpieOils via eBay for £25.69 including free delivery.

[chill6834]

 

All manuals are here all service manuals are here, key dance [will not do transmission codes] is here.

 

Auto gearbox's I'm sure you will agree are in the realms of the 'dark arts department' most of us don't really understand them since the invention of [computer run solenoids] the CANBUS and then the different speed hybrid PCi & CANBUS's running at different speeds moderated by the BCM and routed by the PCM in the same vehicle. I've always tried to avoid 'parts darts' without an accurate starting point which is a competent 'read' of the 41TE errors.

 

Most of the A604 / 41-TE shifting issues are here. The bottom line is you really can't afford not to have the transmission read properly before spending any money otherwise it would be parts darts my friend. At £6 a litre an ATF +4 change is always a bet - but a good one - its the number one failure reason.

 

Many small indi's will have a capable reader for your year vehicle at about £35 a pop but you will have to ring round and ask :

 

- chrysler

- year

- 41TE

 

NOTE : I'd pin down any so called expert by pre-buying and supplying ATF +4 and insisting on its use. I've met many so called good well intentioned experts who really do believe that ATF without the +4 will do because its cheaper and they make more [profit] margin.

 

 

Best of luck.

 

Hi Qinteq, many thanks for the valuable advice you gave!

 

My mechanic friend loaned me his diagnostic tool. I was finding the loss of prime fault code p0944 and p1790 fault immediately after shift. After clearing these codes i managed to just about drive my car to his garage. By his own admission my mechanic is not an auto gearbox expert but he said we should first try changing the fluid and filter and see what happens. he also said that he could only change the transmission fluid that was held within the gearbox not cooler or torque converter.

 

as the old oil poored out it was obviously past its sell by date and the filter looked clogged and felt heavy. i collected 4 litres of atf+4 and a genuine filter both from the chrysler main dealer. all codes were again cleared and the car seemed to drive perfect.

 

after 20 miles or so the car revved when attempting to change up into third. i lost power and had to pull over. a quick check of the gearbox oil level appeared to be ok. i then started car and off i went and all appeared to be ok.

 

this has since happened twice more. Ive scanned for fault codes again and this time P0218  high temperature operation activated along with 0166 [26, af,  1,66] Please refer to relevant technical manual.

 

my mechanic has suggested an auto gearbox specialist now take a look so ive booked the car in with VMTP Midlands in cannock for tomorrow morning.

 

For the benefit of others I'll update this thread as and when i get answers.

 

wish me luck,

 

Carl. 

[fattylady]

My Grand Chrysler Voyager has just failed with the same problems your explaining above.  Its off to a gear box specialist but they think its the talk converter.

[chill6834]

My Grand Chrysler Voyager has just failed with the same problems your explaining above.  Its off to a gear box specialist but they think its the talk converter.

 

when my gearbox was opened up there was a significant amount of metal fragments evident. to cut a long storey short my torque converter was the culprit and had contaminated  the entire gearbox with metal fragments. 

 

i had a lot of stuff replaced and my total bill was £1998.96 with a 12 month warranty. the gear change is now better than ever!

 

Here's a breakdown of what was replaced.

 

torque converter        £245

 

solenoid bank            £190

 

master overhaul kit    £235

 

input sensors            £22

 

brake band               £21

 

thrust washer kit       £19.95

 

Filter                         £8.35

 

transmission fluid     £99.50

 

labour                       £825

 

plus vat at 20%

 

I could have shopped around but i took our car to the specialist my mechanic recommended. I've only had the car for around 7 months and so i wanted a quality repair. This car had only 1 previous owner and a full documented Chrysler service history when i purchased it. 

 

hope this helps.

[immy000]

Hi there i'm new to the forum, please can you help

I have got a Chrysler Grand Voyager 2003 2.5 CRD im getting like a indicator sound (TICKING) coming from the gear box would you have any idea of what that could be ??? Is there a fix for this? 

 

Many Thanks

 

Immy

[QinteQ]

4 years ago - still applies.