Cam Belt Or Chain?

[Adel]

Hi,

 

I bought recently a Chrysler Grand voyager 2.8CRD.

There were no service history and no manual.

 

Car dealer told me it was a chain. Checking online I see cambelt.

I went to a mechanic for him to do service and check and he told me chain so I am confused.

 

also I just found out Chrisler wont see anymore cars. So I am not sure if I can buy a user manual.

 

I found this forum through a similar topic and found the russian ftp link.

 

The closest I found was the 2005-RG-SM.pdf but the service interval goes from Every 6000 miles to 12000miles.

 

 

Any help will be very much appreciated

 

Regards,

Adel

[mikebh8]

Hi, Adel, what year is it?

My Autodata shows that 2.8 engines were fitted on voyagers 2001-2008, grand voyagers 2001-2008 and grand voyagers 2008+ (which is the new shape). To all it showed a cam belt replacement with instructions and pictures.

Only the one 2008+ it does not show any data under timing belt section, that one is probably chain but I'm not sure.

I attached two pictures, in one is a 2.5/2.8 engine ( they look the same) and one with a picture taken from my car. If you have those labels bellow the red  "x" I marked n the engine picture it means it will have a cam belt.

I hope it helps.

[andyb2000]

Hi Adel,

 

Yes it's a belt (What year car?), I had mine changed around the 105,000 mark as had no previous owner history. When you get the belt done, get the water pump too since it's a difficult/time consuming job and whilst you've got it in for the belt it's worth that being done too.

Total was around the £600 here in the UK but I know others have had it done cheaper (Mine was at a garage group, not independent)

Edited December 1, 2016 by andyb2000

[soupstone]

 What mileage is the car on? Having had the expense of a snapped belt on my first Grand Voyager (£1600 as I had to spend £400 on tools), I'd highly recommend doing it if it's due. 

 When I bought my 2.8, I asked the dealer if it had been changed. He didn't know so changed it before I picked it up. Also on around 105k. 


Just noticed your post in the newbie section saying it's a 2004, so as said, it's definately a belt. 
When I was looking, there was one dealer i visited told me it was a chain as well. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by soupstone

[gordy]

Chain Camshaft drive, its not surprising as the amount of times I've seen Voyagers advertised with Merc 2.8 diesel engines. Think the Merc was actually 2.9.

[Adel]

Hi All,

 

Many thanks for your promt reply.

 

@Andy: As said by Soupstone it is a 2004. mileage is 103000 miles.

 

For what I read it is either 10 years or 62500 miles. So I was expecting it to be done if it was belt.

 

I ll look for another garage as this one clearly is not the right one.

 

@Mike: The data is different from what I found so far. 60 months the car is much older.

I can see this picture. I have a 2.8 and for what I read 2.8 means automatic, 2.5 means manual.

other than that there is no difference.

 

Any recommendation on where to buy the cambelt kit and water pump?

Same question for the brand?

 

 

 

 

[soupstone]

When mines went, I got most of the parts I needed from here. 

 http://www.vmdieselspecialist.com/

 

[gordy]

Just checked flee-bay last night and there's surprisingly more cambelt kits with coolant pump available for under £150. Even timing tool kits below £25. Also checkout the auxilliary belt wheels on doing the job as there a pain to get too. Left hand thread on the bolt of course.

[Adel]

So I found a much better mechanic.

 

I asked him if it was chain or cambelt and he said cambelt after 30s.

 

he said to change as well water pump and fan belt.

£140 for labour. it seems a very good price.

I have to provide part. I had a look at ebay and it was strange.

from £95 to £139

some with water pump included.

 

on eurocarparts it is more about £188 without water pump.

 

 

Adel

[gordy]

By Chrysler it is officially a Four hour job. But they are about £120+ per hour. Back in 2013 they were charging £750 for the job.

[Adel]

Thanks Gordy.

I ll close the topic as now I know for sure I need to change the cambelt.

 

One of the other question is where I can buy a user manual?

 

I would like to start the service history on it.

Regards,

Adel

[QinteQ]

Full workshop manuals list here, the elusive copy of the RG diesel is here.

[Adel]

Many thanks QinteQ.

I got that copy. 

can you confirm service should be done as below?

Every 60,000 miles

Change the automatic transmission fluid and filter

 

 

Every 6000 miles:

* Inspect the engine air cleaner filter, replace if necessary.

* Change engine oil and engine oil filter 

* Inspect the tie rod ends and boot seals.

 

Every 9000 miles

* Inspect the brake lining 

 

Every 15000 miles:

* Replace the engine air cleaner filter

* Replace the air conditioning filter.

* Inspect the PCV valveand replace as necessary

 

Flush and replace the engine coolant at 60 months or 100,000 miles.

 

 

I was more  looking for something on paper to get stamp from the garage after each service.

[QinteQ]

Cam is 60k for taxi / rough use 100k for normal personally 80k would be my own 'get it done'date. You know all the others you ask are common sense for example unless you have garage stamped and dated evidence and receipts then always assume its not done regardless. The facts are that fluids are never changed and the handbrake parts are never looked at after year 3 of its life.filters [including cabin pollen] are cheap and a DIY. If you do the back brakes drain, flush, and completely change the hydroscopic brake fluid at the same time which won't have been done since the car was brand new. Diitto the antifreeze and easy DIY job but only use G05 and distilled water and make sure you front flush through with a hose including having the engine running and the heater full belt to clean the heater matrix and alloy radiator. Brakes, tie legs and boots only when needed and knocking. Transmission and engine oil are very lifeblood of a system and the biggest gift you can ever give is a full transfusion not topping-up !

 

Plenty of posts, pictures and advice on both forums, best of luck.

[mrtibbs]

Hi QinteQ. Thanks for that advise, I have had so many different answers to the timing belt change interval that my head spins.... Some other great info there, thanks.

 

Keith

[QinteQ]

Hi QinteQ. Thanks for that advise, I have had so many different answers to the timing belt change interval that my head spins.... Some other great info there, thanks.

 

Keith

 

Your welcome friend. Our rads, are alloy and hardly ever get a complete change of fluid [ditto brake fluid etc] in their life, they are designed for HOAT and yet garages top up with anything handy usually cheepo non-HOAT any brand, there's no wonder they get gunged up with bits, back flushing an alloy rad hardly ever does any good. I did my usual old school cheat of bottom hose off just a little, hose pipe in the top at the same flow rate, heater full to flush the matrix and let it run clear. Bottom & top hose buttoned up, bring it to heat, quick check a day later for level.

 

On the statMOD I used a Quinton Hazell 210 Thermostat

 

Opening Heat --- 82 deg C

Size A = Across ring --- 48mm.

Size B = Below ring --- 32.5mm.

Size C = Bottom ring --- 28.5mm

http://www.micksgarage.com/img/td/57/l/qth210k-1.jpg

Edited December 7, 2016 by QinteQ