I'm with you @@gordy - hear it far too often nowadays. All the technology but no old school skills or brains. Open the bugger up and find out, or take out the injectors or glow plugs and do a compression test, or SOMETHING!!!!!! My van had no fault codes but drove like a sack of poo from cold..... Nowt wrong with it then obviously!! Go on then drive it I dared them - oh yes it's awful isn't it - bloody hell yes!!! So an older chap, who used to work on cars in the good old days of points, distributors, condensers etc, said - "egr valve that Nev, gummed up and sticking" and it was. Ruddy new one needed "coding in" to a Renault Master. My line of work is heating and gas engineer, and the number of times I come across the phrase "wouldn't you be better off with a new one" pee's me right off. No they wouldn't - ruddy fix the damn thing, or don't claim you can repair them. Worst one recently was a conventional boiler supposedly knackered, young couple recently moved in, but when I go round it's still ok for hot water. So as I said to the young lady - well it's still working then isn't it, it's not dead. If it gets the water hot the boiler is fine. Two people had happily quoted her a new one. I had a look round at the system as to why the heating wasn't on, and eventually found the camouflaged thermostat, painted over, turned it up and hey what do you know hot rads 5 minutes later. Rocket scientist I must be. So much to the pleasure of my little girls I put a Bob the Builder sticker on my van, with the slogan "Can We Fix It? - Probably!" Anyway sorry I went off topic too. So commisserations woodie and Andy. Mind you I still have my 2002 3.3 going green on the drive behind my van, my old post from last year has just been brought up by someone else, and slightly new test info, so it may breath life again, yeah right.